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What’s New in Windows Server 2008 (May 08, 2007)

Chat Topic: What’s New in Windows Server 2008?
Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2007

Please note:Portions of this transcript have been edited for clarity.

Experts: Iain McDonald, Bill Laing, Alex Hinrichs, Patrick O’Rourke, Ian Hameroff, Ward Ralston, David Lowe
Moderator: Don Spencer
Newsgroups: http://blogs.technet.com/ianhamer

Don_MSFT (Moderator):
Welcome to today’s chat. Our topic today is Windows Server 2008 Beta 3.

Introductions

Don_MSFT (Moderator):
We are pleased to welcome our experts for today. I will have them introduce themselves now.

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Hi I am Bill Laing, General Manager of the Windows Server Division, and I am psyched about Windows Server 2008 Beta 3.

Katherine_msft (Expert):
I'm Katherine Casey and I assist the Windows Server team.

AlexH-MSFT (Expert):
Hi, I'm Alex Hinrichs, Group Program Manager for Windows Server. I'm responsible for project management and am the token Texan on the server team.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Hi, I am Iain McDonald - Director of Program Management for Windows Server. I’ve been with Server for 4 years, before that I was in the core OS group where I worked on Windows 2000-Windows Server 2003 in the project management group. I was on Exchange up to 1998 - the Exchange group was kinda like Las Vegas - what goes on in exchange stays in Exchange. No one really cares what happened before then. Which is good because I can’t remember. Oh, and that was my bike in the video, but not my plane.

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Hi, Patrick O'Rourke, sr product manager in the Windows Server division. Frequent blogger at http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/.

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Hi, I'm David Lowe - Senior Product Manager with Windows Server. I'm another frequent blogger at http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/.

Don_MSFT (Moderator):
And I'm your moderator, Don Spencer. I'm an editor in the Connected Systems Division.

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Hi, I'm Ian Hameroff, the Sr. Product Manager for Windows Server networking features and solutions like NAP.

Start of Chat

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Hi - when will we see GlobalNames in DNS? Thx.
A: Check out Beta 3.

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
When will we see WSV?
A: There will be a public beta of Windows Server virtualization in H2 this year.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will we see any schema changes between Beta 3 and RTM?
A: None are planned. But please don’t take that as a sign that it is safe to upgrade your production schema now.

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Q:
Are there any updated timelines for RC# and/or RTM? In terms of planning, budgets, resources, etc., a current timeline would be great! – thx.
A: We've just released Beta 3 and we're still on track to ship before the end of this year, and there will be an RC somewhere in the middle. :-)

AlexH-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
OK. I wish to ask about Beta 3 - it was said that this is a 'closed feature' version, which is supposed to mean 'what you have in Beta 3 will be in final; what is not, will not be in final.' There are some services which appear and disappear - may I understand...
A: Beta 3 is our "feature complete" release. While we may add a couple of small items based upon customer feedback, we consider the features locked. We're looking for testing and deployment feedback to insure that what we've built works perfectly for you.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
...that for example 'Windows Search' will not be included in final Windows Server 2008?
A: It is in the product, but not turned on.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
: Would there be any webinar session on "what's new in Windows Server 2008" delivered by Microsoft again? Not talking about the chat sessions.
A: There are some new ones on TechNet: http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/windowsserver2008.aspx?tab=webcasts

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will Server Manager be able to connect to other machines/systems or will it be local-only? Enterprises would value the ability to connect to multiple computers with this.
A: Server Manager is local machine only. Thanks for the input on multiple computers.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
When will we see ssl-vpns?
A: We have a couple of things going on here - first off we have a new piece of technology called SSTP that is a transport protocol (as in secure sockets) - it allows an app to set up a basic SSLVPN type connection to a service. That's the overall approach we're going for. We also have the TS stuff that routes over SSL. As for a generic VPN over SSL, we don't do that.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will Single Instance Storage (SIS) be included in the RTM product?
A: SIS will only be the Storage Server version of the product.

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Q:
Will Server Manager be able to connect to other machines/systems or will it be local-only? Enterprises would value the ability to connect to multiple computers with this.
A: Server Manager is for managing a local server only, but you can use Remote Desktop to connect to any full installation of Windows Server 2008 and run Server Manager over RDP for the same experience. You can install the Remote Server Administration Tools as a feature on any Windows Server 2008 to manage roles and features on another machine.

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
GlobalNames is not anywhere in Beta 3 except in the docs and help - how do we expose it?
A: We are checking on how to expose Global Names.

AlexH-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Are you going do make some *logic* order with 'roles' and 'features'? Maybe it is not so important, but it is going to be veeery hard to explain why WINS is a feature and DNS is a role...
A: We've had some very spirited conversations about the "roles" versus "features" list and how to order them. Re: DNS vs. WINS - we want to highlight DNS by putting it in the "roles" list and encourage customers to move away from legacy WINS.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Agreed on the WINS 'feature' vs DNS 'role’.
A: Alex will say this, but we want to go completely WINS-less. Personally, I don't ant people to build a big dependency on WINS as a role.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Will Windows 2000 AD be 'directly' upgradeable to Windows Server 2008 AD or will an interim Windows 2003 upgrade be required? Thx.
A: There is a recommended way of doing this - it involves you getting to the Windows Server 2003 functional level - essentially applying the schema updates before moving up.

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
What can WSV do, that an ESX server can't?
A: Final features for Windows Server virtualization will be locked after beta, before RTM. WSv will be a core feature of Windows Server 2008. As such, WSv will run with a Server Core installation of Windows Server 2008, which provides a minimal parent partition and reduces the system resources required by the parent partition. In turn, this reduces the need to patch and reboot the physical system. Another cool thing is WSv will include native support for Microsoft Cluster Service and geo-clustering. Great capabilities for DR.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will the Storage Server version of the product be available as FPP or only as part of a hardware solution?
A: Currently, it is an OEM-only offering.

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Q:
The biggest surprise for me was the information that the routing compartments feature is not included in Vista nor in current Windows Server 2008. Can we expect this feature? When?
A: The routing compartments feature was removed before the release of Windows Vista. We are investigating this as a feature for a future release of Windows.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Agreed - we want to go WINSless but until we get some comfort w/ GlobalNames, we won't be going there...
A: Obviously, we're going to have to do a better job at getting the globalnames functionality documented. We definitely will have a set of docs around super secure domains.

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
[Nexor] At this stage, we've not finalized on our future Windows plans and where features will appear.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
'Windows search' is not turned on? It is not on services list, and 'indexing options' are disabled - so how to turn it on?
A: First off, our approach for server is to have nothing turned on by default. Second, in many cases something like search and a role just don't make sense or play well together. Finally, install the desktop experience pack - it makes this stuff easier.

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will Standard edition still be limited to 4GB RAM?
A: In Beta 3, for 32-bit systems it is 4GB for Standard, and for 64-bit systems it is 32GB for Standard. However, the final SKU limits and SKU lineup for RTM is not finalized.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
'Future release of windows' appeared today. You mean 'SP1 for Vista' or 'the very future release'? (:
A: We can't speak for the client team, so we have to say a future release of Windows...

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will there be PowerShell in Server Core?
A: PowerShell is currently not supported in Server Core as it requires the .NET Framework. However, you can still use PowerShell on other computers to leverage scripting technologies that are present in server core...like WMI.

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Are we expecting OS virtualization environments to be inbuilt into Windows Server 2008 in any of the releases, or a snap-on before the final release?
A: We'll deliver Windows Server virtualization within 180 days of the RTM of Windows Server 2008, and a public beta in H2. We can't commit today to have WSv part of any interim/final releases of Windows Server 2008.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Is there anything like 'changelog'? after installing new beta builds, the major problem is lack of knowledge 'where I may find the differences'. Is there a way to check it?
A: There is a thing called the book of “Longhorn” we put up on TechNet - I think it is this one: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=173e6e9b-4d3e-4fd4-a2cf-73684fa46b60&DisplayLang=en.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
If it is bad to set the WINS Server IP to anything other than its own IP (if it is a WINS server), why doesn't the WINS feature set it to its own IP (and possibly make it uneditable). Similar to DNS - it puts in 127.0.0.1 if DNS Server is installed?
A: WINS is a super old code base; we have not really had a load of work done on it in the last couple of years. In fact, the work has nearly all been in making sure it is secure. Yes, it falls short in usability because what we've been *trying* to do is get rid of it.

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Q:
SWEET - I didn't realize the Remote Server Admin tools was 'Server Manager' for multiple servers!
A: Ah, no - that's not the case. Remote Server Admin Tools is like the Admin Pack. You can install IIS Manager, for example, on a server that isn't running IIS 7.0 to manage a server that is. You can't point the whole Server Manager application at another server, though, and see all the roles and features on that server.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Is there going to be SSH server? Any plans? Microsoft seems to afraid of that protocol [why?]. Talking to many admin-friends, they dream of using SSH for powershell console... is there any chance of such solution?
A: We do have a technology like this included in Windows Server 2008 called WinRS....or Windows Remote Shell. This command line tool allows administrators to remotely execute most cmd.exe commands using the WS_Management protocol.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Will Exchange/SQL/BizTalk be a role someday in ServerCore ?
A: We would love for that to be the case. However, many of the dependencies those apps have just are not present in server core. This go around is our first release of sc - a bunch of in the box roles and some documentation of what can run on there in the SDK. In future releases, we will expand what can run on there. I got pretty 'strong' feedback at the MVP summit of what people want first and that is our #1 priority for future releases. We're not talking about releases after Windows Server 2008 yet.

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Will Windows Server 2008 thrive on the latest and greatest Quad/Octa Core setups that are now currently available? How does Windows Server 2008 utilize multiple cores? What are the licensing issues (if any) for multi-core systems?
A: Yes, in fact there are a couple sessions at WinHEC next week to talk about this. Session SVR-T327 will discuss power management changes in Windows Server 2008, and device power management. Hint - it'll be on by default. In terms of threads/multi-core, Session SVR-T332 will focus on NUMA I/O (core networking, storage and file server) optimizations. The NUMA improvements in Windows Server 2008 benefit the hyper-transport type systems where each processor socket is essentially a NUMA node and having multi-core allows for multiple logical processors on the socket-based NUMA node. The NUMA improvements addressed memory locality issues on large, multi-node enterprise systems such as the large x64 and IA64 systems. In terms of licensing, nothing is changed. We license per processor (aka, socket).

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Q:
When can we expect new FTP server? I thought I could see it in Beta 3? ):
A: Take a look at this great write up at IIS.NET about the IIS7 FTP Server: http://www.iis.net/articles/view.aspx/Managing-IIS7/Using-FTP-Server-in-IIS7/Administering-IIS7s-FTP-Server?tabid=1

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Any plans to make service configs definable within GPO? For instance, all my WINS servers should have the same configs. So should my DNS servers. Any way to set these settings via a 'Services' or 'Role' or 'Feature' GPO(s)?
A: (I have to say I think I have spent more time talking about WINS today than anytime in the last 5 years...) What you are asking for is a set of config data to be separate from the base install of the system. We'll look into that, but I doubt we are going to do that for WINS - we will more likely invest in ways of replacing WINS much easier.

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
I'll second nexor's request of a SSH server. :D
A: Thanks for the input, we will look into it for a future release.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
So, there isn't anything that will allow me a Server Manager sort of interface yet allow me to connect to other servers without using RDP? It would be GRAND if something like TSMMC (remote desktops) were available.
A: Nope. RDP is our remote desktop protocol. We have that over SSL (RDP over RCP over HTTPS) in Windows Server 2008.

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Q:
GlobalNames is not anywhere in B3 except in the docs and help - how do we expose it?
A: In Beta 3, although GlobalNames are supported, the UI is fairly basic. You simply need to create a new zone using the name “GlobalNames”. This is not case sensitive.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
I am not as attached to WINS as it may seem. I am just looking for an easier way to configure them while we get our GlobalNames figured out.
A: We will find out how to get that documentation out in a better way - I thought it was all there and will find out why it isn't.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Feel free to ask more questions - we all have had two cups of coffee and are ready to go!

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
I understand the idea of RDP and logging on to servers to configure/manage them. However, in a larger enterprise, we find that very laborious. For instance, it is SUPER effective to open Computer Management or even Event Viewer and connect to another box.
A: I would agree. PowerShell is really going to ease administration in larger organizations. Speaking of Event Viewer - you can now forward events to other computers and attach actions to events.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
So, do you see the value in being able to open Server Manager, right click > Connect to ... and !VOILA! you see all the same 'stuff' but for a remote system? Or am I just nutz? ;)
A: Yep. We just don't do it in this release.

AlexH-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
ISA server would be a nice role to have in ServerCore.
A: In our first iteration of Server Core, we're focused on infrastructure server roles - AD, File, DNS, etc... In future versions of Windows Server, we're looking at ways to expand the scope and possibilities for server applications and more extensive management tools.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Is TSsetting (in the AD, native LH) still in binary?
A: As far as I know, yep.

Bill-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Would it be a fair assumption that using WVS you could set up a copy of the full GUI LHS with limited access to administer the Core instillation, and then remove it from the system when everything is functioning? Or would this be a risky situation, security wise?
A: It is not possible to go from Windows Server 2008 with the GUI installed to Windows Server 2008 Core without reinstalling. It is a choice that needs to be made at installation time.

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
It looks like in order to install Remote Server Admin Tools, I require at least elements of IIS/Web server. Is this the plan? If so, why?
A: No, it depends on what Remote Server Administration Tools you're installing. If you choose the entire feature, you're installing tools to manage a whole bunch of roles and features, including IIS and SMTP - both of those administrative tools require some IIS components. But, for example, if you just installed the BitLocker remote administration tool, you wouldn't be asked to install any IIS components.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Sure would love easy configurability of the AD Users Properties dialog, to include particular attributes that I want to easily manage. Possible in Windows Server 2008?
A: Since Windows Server 2003, you can select multiple users in AD to configure their common properties at once. Once you reach the limitations of the GUI for administering, you should look scripting solutions.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
The very important question I try to ask for years: do you plan to implement a built-in mechanism allowing to localize the user [where the user is logged on], add concurrent logon restrictions, and add some way to check user activity in network? [2b cont.]
A: Maybe we have some cross in terms - localized user to us is a language/char set/key map. Let me read your second part...

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
[cont]. This is major problem for many networks, and using advanced tools like MOM or some self-made implementations like cclogon - this is not a mature solution. I would really liked to see those imho very basic mechanisms in AD. ):
A: OK, I get it. Check out system center essentials. This has a bunch of this. As for what is provided - we do try to provide as much as possible in the Windows Server box, but there may be cases for advanced functionality where you do need an add-on product. Especially for larger corporate sites.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Yeah. localize=find .. sorry.
A: Yeah, I got that one after reading your second post. I think you are going to like the system center essentials package for much of this

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Q:
I am trying to check globalnames ... created zone with that name, created an 'A' record... but nslookup nor ping can not find it. ):
A: We would need some additional details to work out the cause of what you're experiencing. What build of Windows Server 2008 are you using?

Patrick_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
KUDOS to the accidental deletion prevention check box in MMC - SCORE!
A: The kudos goes to AlexH and Iain - they say thanks.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
The process of metadata cleanup is horrible - is it any better in Windows Server 2008 AD? Windows NT 4 = 'delete computer acct and rebuild' Windows 2000 = make phone calls that you'll be late for dinner. Windows 2003 = make phone calls that you'll likely be late for dinner. Windows Server 2008 = ?
A: Once nice thing about Windows Server 2008 is the notion of a restartable Active Directory. No longer do you have to take your DCs into safe mode to perform AD maintenance....all you need to do is stop the Domain Controller service and restart it when you are complete.

AlexH-MSFT (Expert):
Q:
I consider our ISA servers as part of our core infrastructure. :-)
A: We're very happy that you're a loyal ISA customer and that it's part of your infrastructure. We hear your request and are looking for ways to expand server core in the future.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Is the method to enable change notification on site links still an ADSI attribute edit or is it exposed in the Site Link GUI? Thx.
A: Last time i looked at this stuff, it’s still ADSI attribute edit.

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Q:
Will we see more of the drag and drop functionality with Windows Server 2008?
A: Not sure what you mean - even though we now have a Server Core installation option, we have no plans to deprecate the mouse just yet. :-)

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
I agree with the idea of a 'flexible' MMC that can have attributes added to it - concurrent logins - for example (as the posted question example) or last login for a computer acct (similar to AcctINfo.DLL)
A: Good idea. We'll look into it.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
System Center essentials? I know about SC:OM, SC:VMM.. what is essentials?
A: SC Essentials is a management solution aimed at organizations with up to 500 PCs and 30 Servers: more details on this released product are here: http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/sce/default.mspx.

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Q:
How can I tell you the exact build for the GlobalNames issue - it is Beta 3.
A: It is not the build of GlobalNames, but the build of Windows Server 2008. Thanks for the additional details. It might be challenging to debug this via the chat however. Did you receive any error messages, outside of the fact that you didn't succeed with ping or nslookup?

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
If I have driver encrypted with BitLocker, and I lose the key. Is that it, or will there be some secret key that you can give me that will unlock it again? (Or is BitLocker really secure?)
A: You lose the key, you are hosed. There is no secret key. Lose the key, and that’s it. So, yes.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
KUDOS to being able to open NTDS settings within DSA.MSC!!
A: Cool.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Any plans to provide the ability to use GPMC to produce details about Local Sec Pol? I LOVE GPMC, but I can't use it for local sec pol. :(
A: At the moment, no. Secpol.mmc is the right place.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
I got nothing more. Just want to say thanks for taking the time, and looking forward for WSV and the final release of LH. I just looove the ServerCore and WSV Features.
A: Thanks for the kind words. We are really proud of the product.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
The question unanswered even on the Windows Server 2008 forum: how to check the exact build number?
A: Winver.exe.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
Winver shows only main build. I will check again, but subversion with date of compilation are available while downloading some recent builds.
A: My bad there. I thought that would do the trick.

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Q:
Winver shows only main build. I will check again, but subversion with date of compilation are available while downloading some recent builds.
A: You can find the minor build number in the registry by looking at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\Current Version\BuildLabEx.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
MSFT bloggers - GREAT stuff! Thanks for keeping us on the 'other side' aware of what is going on "inside."
A: A couple you should check out - Dave Lowe writes the Windows Server blog. Andrew Mason has a great server core blog. There is a good powershell one (+ scripts center is good) & channel9.msdn.com is a good place to check out. Oh yeah, and my blog...

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Sorry if I am not supposed to be in this chat, but don’t know where else to go? I would like to know what UTORRENT is?
A: I’d suggest the utorrent.com website, but i am lucky to even spell utorrent, so that’s about my knowledge. No, it’s not on server core.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
i don't know if utorrent works with globalnames either...

Don_MSFT (Moderator):
Q:
Sorry if I am not supposed to be in this chat but don’t know where else to go? I would like to know what UTORRENT is?
A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTorrent.

iain_mcdonald_msft (Expert):
Q:
Brian Puhl's blog has some GREAT stuff about the internal MSFT AD - very good info for other enterprise shops.
A: i wasn't aware of it - thanks - I’ll check it out.

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
Missy9, what type of help are you looking for?

Ian Hameroff [MSFT] (Expert):
For Microsoft products, visit http://support.microsoft.com.

Ward Ralston_MSFT (Expert):
Q:
I hope attribute editor will not disappear from ADUaC in final version! (:
A: We have no plans to remove it.

Don_MSFT (Moderator):
Q:
Thanks All!
A: Thank you for all the great questions!

David Lowe [MS] (Expert):
Q:
Thanx All, gonna add a few more blogs to my must-read list.
A: And thanks everyone for the great questions!